>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON,": U.S. ATTORNEY RACHAEL ROLLINS JOINS ME AS SHE CLOSES IN ON A YEAR IN OFFICE; ON YET ANOTHER INVESTIGATION INTO YET ANOTHER MAJOR POLICE FORCE IN ANOTHER MAJOR POLICE FORCE IN OUR STATE; WERE LAWS VIOLATED WHEN FLORIDA GOVERNOR DeSANTIS SHIPPED 49 MIGRANTS TO MARTHA'S VINEYARD AND MORE.

THEN, WE CONTINUE OUR SERIES ON THE "BOSTON GLOBE'S" FIVE-STAR RESTAURANTS WITH THE DAILY CATCH, A STAPLE OF LOCAL DINING FOR NEARLY FIFTY YEARS.

TWO OF THE BROTHERS RUNNING THE SECOND-GENERATION SICILIAN SEAFOOD DESTINATION JOIN ME WITH SOME OF THEIR DELICACIES.

>> Braude: IT'S BEEN ONE YEAR TO THE DAY SINCE THE SENATE CONFIRMED RACHAEL ROLLINS AS U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS.

AND IN THE YEAR SINCE, SHE'S HAD A LOT TO TACKLE, ESPECIALLY THE AREAS SHE VOWED TO FOCUS ON WHEN SHE CAME IN-- COMBATING HATE AND INCREASING EQUITY ACROSS THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.

U.S. ATTORNEY RACHAEL ROLLINS JOINS ME NOW.

HELLO, NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> ALWAYS A PRESH IRE.

>> Braude: HUGH WOULD YOU RATE YOURSELF.

>> IT HAS BEEN BUMPY BUT I WOULD GIVE MYSELF A SOLID B, I HAVE WORK TO IMPROVE ON BUT I'M HAPPY WITH WHAT WE GO.

>> Braude: I KNOW WHAT I CONSIDER BUMPS, WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER BUMPS?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN LIKE MANY PEOPLE TOLD ME, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING A DA AND THE U.S. ATTORNEY IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.

THERE ARE SOME REALLY WONDERFUL THINGS LIKE I GET TO SEE THE ENTIRE COMMONWEALTH AND HAVE JURISDICTION THERE.

I HAVE A CIVIL ARM NOW THAT I CAN WORK WITH.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SITUATIONS WHERE YOU KNOW, GETTING OVERSITE-- OVERSIGHT AND APPROVAL, I TBEEL THERE IS A DEMENT OF JUSTICE AND I'M IN A HIERARCHY.

SO I WILL BE FINE BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BUMPS.

>> Braude: AN ADJUSTMENT.

MUCH OF YOUR CAREER, HAS BEEN ABOUT UNCOVERING RACISM, ANTI-SEMITISM, DISCRIMINATION OF ANY SORT.

HERE ARE SOME NUMBERS JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE A LITTLE CONTEXT ABOUT THE RISE IN ANTI-SEMITIC INCIDENTS IN MASSACHUSETTS, CLOSE TO 50% IN THE YEAR BEFORE YOU TOOK OFFICE.

WHEN A FORMER PRESIDENT DINES WITH A HOLOCAUST DENYING WHITE SUPREMACIST, WHO WAS BROUGHT TO DINNER BY AN ANTI-SEMITE, DOES THAT NOT MAINSTREAM HATE WELL BEYOND THE BORDERS OF MAR-A-LAGO?

>> IT IS DEEPLY TROUBLING WHEN SEE-- WHEN YOU SEE THAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR NORMALIZED OR ACCEPTED.

AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO ROOT OUT ANTI-SEMITISM AND HATE WHERE WE SEE IT.

WHAT I HAVE BP VERY SURPRISED WITH, JIM, IS AS A WOMAN, AS A WOMAN OF COLOR, AS A BLACK PERSON, I KNEW THAT THERE WAS VIOLENCE AGAINST PEOPLE OF COLOR AND BLACK PEOPLE AND LGBTQ COMMUNITY.

I WAS SHOCKED AT HOW FREQUENTLY ANTI-SEMITISM IS WOVEN INTO ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, YOU MAY BE THINKING ABOUT GENDER AFFIRMING CARE OR THE LGBTQ PLUS COMMUNITY OR TRANS.

WE OBVIOUSLY ARE BUT THERE IS SS AN ANTI-SEMITIC HATRED THAT IS ROOTED IN A LOT OF THOSE THREATS.

AND THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY THAT THE DOCTORS WHO ARE VICTIMS THERE, WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM.

BUT IF IS THE ACTUAL LGBTQ COMMUNITY THAT ARE THE VICTIMS AS WELL.

>> Braude: DID YOU EVER THINK YOU WOULD SEE YOUR PRESIDENT HAVING DINNER WITH TWO TYPES LIKE THAT?

>> THERE ARE MANY THINGS, JIM, THAT I WAKE UP AND SEE IN THE LAST YEAR PLUS THAT I AM SHOCKED AT.

INCLUDING EVEN KAYNE WEST OR KYRIE IRVING OR OTHERS THAT ARE NORMALIZING OR SAYING THINGS THAT ARE DEEPLY, DEEPLY TROUBLING, AND BEYOND TROUBLING, ANTI-SEMITIC AND HATE-FILLED.

>> Braude: SPEAKING OF TROUBLING, WHAT HAS TROUBLED YOU ABOUT THE WORCESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT CAUSED YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.

>> THIS HAD STARTED PRIOR TO ME BEING THERE.

THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS ONLY OF JUST UNCONSTITUTIONAL POLICING THAT ARE HAPPENING IN WORCESTER.

WE ALREADY HAVE A CONSENT DE CREE OR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT IN SPRINGFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO REALLY KICK THE TIRES AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE WORK WITH THE WORCESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT EVERY SINGLE DAY, PROSECUTING CASES.

AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH SIDES ARE SPEAKING WITH EACH OTHER.

BECAUSE IF WE FIND A BAD ACTOR IN THE CIVIL SITUATION, WE HAVE TO NOTIFY THE CRIMINAL SIDE.

>> Braude: YOU MENTIONED THE SPRINGFIELD INVESTIGATION, YOUR OFFICE ANG DOJ AND GENERAL CONCLUDED THAT INVESTIGATION, I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST ONE CONCLUDED IN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

>> SURE.

>> Braude: THERE IS EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE, THAT IS NOT AN ALLEGATION, THAT IS A FACT.

>> THERE IS A FACT.

>> Braude: THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS OF EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE, RACIAL SECTION ALL DISCRIMINATION IN WORCESTER.

WHEN YOU WERE THE DVMENT AMOUNT OF IN SUFFICIENTFOLK COUNTY YOU PUT-- SUF D-- A LIST OF COPS THAT MAYBE CAN'T BE TRUSTED.

SO SPRINGFIELD, WORCESTER, BOSTON, I'M A PIRN OF SOLOR, I'M A POOR PERSON, WHY SHOULD I TRUST THE POLICE, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?

>> WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY IS THAT ALTHOUGH THE NUMBERS ARE ALARMING AND IN SUFFOLK COUNTY WE HAD OVER A HUNDRED, ON, WE CALLED IT OUR BRADY LIST, LEAD DATA DATABASE.

>> Braude: ALSO LIST OF THE COMPANIES WHOSE TESTIMONY WAS SUSPECT.

>> RIGHT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF POLICE OFFICERS IN MASSACHUSETTS DOING NOBLE, EXCEPTIONAL WORK EVERY DAY.

WE HAVE TO BE BETTER AT UPLIFTING THEM.

I WOULD SAY TO THAT INDIVIDUAL, WE HAVE A POST COMMISSION NOW AS A RESULTS OF GOVERNOR BAKER AND THE GREAT WORK THAT HE DID WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATURE.

>> Braude: THAT HASN'T PUBLISHED THE NAME OF ONE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS A-- NOT ONE.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING IS NOT IN MY ROLE AS U.S. ATTORNEY CAN I WORK ON.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THEY ARE GETTING PIECES IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT BAD ACTORS, ROOTING THEM OUT, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF POLICE OFFICERS THAT ARE UPSTANDING, LOYAL, NOBLE AND CULTURALLY COMPETENT HAS BECOME EVEN BETTER.

>> Braude: JUST ONE OTHER BUMP THAT YOU DIDN'T MENTION.

THERE IS ALSO SOME SORT OF INVESTIGATION INTO YOU.

>> YES, THERE IS.

>> Braude: AROUND YOU ATTENDING A FUNDRAISER FOR DR. BIDEN FOR THE FIRST LADY.

>> CORRECT.

>> Braude: YOU CAN TELL US WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS?

>> IT IS ONGOING.

AND WHAT I CAN SAY IS A A SITTING UNITED STATES SENATOR ASKED FOR AN INVESTIGATION.

>> Braude: TOM COSBY.

>> A SITTING UNITED STATES SENATOR DID AND THAT THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL, OF COURSE, WOULD I THINK COMPLY WITH ANY SITTING U.S.

SENATOR.

I MR.

COOPERATING 103%.

AND YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, WHEN I TWEETED, I HAD APPROVAL TO-- APPROVAL TO GO BUT WE WILL WAIT TO SEE WHAT THEY FIND.

AND NO MATTER WHAT THEY FIND, I WILL COMPLY.

>> Braude: YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, YOU DID TWEET ON JULY 159, HERE IT IS THE FULL THING.

I WASN'T ASKED FOR A COMMENT BEFORE THIS MEANING THE STORY IN THE HERALD RAN, ALMOST AS IF THE HERALD DIDN'T WANT TO KNOW I HAD APPROVAL TO MEET DR. BIDEN UNLESS TWO TWO-- TWO COMMUNITY EVENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

IF YOU HAD A ROFL WHY IS THERE AN INVESTIGATION.

>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

>> Braude: WHAT IS THE ANSWER WPTION WE WILL FIND OUT SOON.

>> Braude: DOES THIS AFFECT HOW YOU DO YOUR JOB.

>> OF COURSE IT DOES.

BUT YOU KNOW, LISTEN F IN WERE EASY, ANYONE COULD BE THE U.S. ATTORNEY.

IF THIS WERE EASY, ANYONE COULD BE THE DVMENT AMOUNT OF.

THERE IS ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY ON YOU WHEN YOU BECOME AN ELECTED OR A PUBLIC OFFICIAL.

SOMETIMES I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH.

BUT I MR. NOT HERE TO COMPLAIN, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN FAR WORSE CIRCUMSTANCES THAN I AM.

AND I WILL BE FINE NO MATTER THE OUTCOME.

>> Braude: CAN WE TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF PROBES-- I HATE THE WORD PROBE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: INVESTIGATIONS YOU HAVE INITIATED.

>> I DIDN'T MEAN IT FOR-- .

>> Braude: OH BOY, MOVING ON-- OH T IS LIVE, STORY.

>> MOVING ON.

>> Braude: I KNOW YOU CAN'T TELL US EVERYTHING, BUT JUST EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHY YOU INITIATED THESE THINGS.

ONE IS, I LOVE THE TERM MARCELLA GARCIA FROM THE GLOBE CALLS THEM THE VINEYARD 49.

THE MOVES OF, I MEAN, THIS IS ME, NOT YOU, ESSENTIALLY THE KIDNAPPING IN MY ESTIMATION OF 49 PEOPLE, VENEZUELANS FOR THE MOST PART FROM TEXAS BY GOVERNOR DESANTIS' PEOPLE, SHIPPED TO MARTHA'S VINEYARD.

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING INTO, WHAT IS THE ISSUE YOU ARE LOOKING INTO?

THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE GREAT LAWYERS LIKE-- WHO IS THE LAWYER OF CIVIL RIGHT WHOSE HAS ALREADY INITIATED LITIGATION.

WE HAVE EXCEPTIONAL-- .

>> Braude: RON SULLIVAN FROM HARVARD LAW SCHOOL SAID THEY INITIATED SOME TOO.

>> AS HAVE SUSAN CHURCH AND OTHER EXCEPTIONAL IMMIGRATION LAWYERS.

THERE ARE OTHERS, I BELIEVE, ONE'S FIRST NAME IS RACHEL AS WELL.

BUT WE HAVE EXCEPTIONAL LEADERS THAT ARE LOOKING INTO THIS.

WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS WHETHER THERE WAS GOING TO BE, AND THE U.S. ATTORNEY OF MASSACHUSETTS, WHICH INCLUDES MARTHA'S VINEYARD, IS THE DOJ GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN ANYWAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

I REACHED OUT TO MY CIVIL RIGHTS COUNTERPARTS IN DOJ.

I DID NOT LOOK AT FLORIDA OR TEXAS.

I LOOKED AT THE STATES THAT WERE RECEIVING THESE INDIVIDUALS.

THAT WERE COMING IN, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE ARE CHOICE WORDS, RIGHT, THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT HERE.

THERE WAS AN ALLEGATION OF FOWRLT OR-- FORCE OR THREAT OR COERCION, ESSENTIALLY, WHEN THE INDIVIDUALS ARRIVED ON MARTHA'S VINEYARD.

AND I AM NOT PRIVY TO DISCUSS WHAT IT IS THE DOJ IS DOING BUT I HAVE REACHED OUT TO MY COUNTERPARTS IN NEW YORK, IN D.C., IN ATLANTA AND OBVIOUSLY MASSACHUSETTS WHO HAVE ALL RECEIVED INDIVIDUALS INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

>> Braude: JUST UNCLEAR WHEN YOU SAY I HAVE REACHED OUT AND USED THE PAST TENSE, I WAS, IS YOUR OFFICE LOOKING TOO SOME ASPECT OF THIS.

OR ARE YOU SPEAKING OF OTHER U.S.

ATTORNEYS.

>> WHAT I AM DOING AND THERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING THE U.S. ATTORNEY AND BEING THE DVMENT AMOUNT OF.

IF I WERE THE DVMENT AMOUNT OF EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT THE DVMENT AMOUNT OF OF MARTHA'S VINEYARD, I WOULD BE OUT THERE SAYING WE NEED TO DO THE FOLLOWING.

I HAVE TO GET MY MARCHING ORDERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS IMPACTING MY DISTRICT, THIS IS NOT ME LOOKING ELSEWHERE.

THEY ARRIVE HERE ON OUR LAND, OUR SOIL, THEY ARE OUR RESIDENTS NOW.

I NEED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I MAKE ANY STATEMENTS THAT I CHECK WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

SO THAT IS NUMBER ONE.

BUT HERE IS SOME THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT DOING, HYPOTHETICALLY, NOT WITH RESPECT TO THIS.

WE COULD FILE A STATEMENT OF INTEREST IN SOME OF THE LAWSUITS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED IN OUR JURISDICTION OR ELSEWHERE.

WE COULD ASK, WE COULD MOVE TO INTERVENE IN A CASE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, FOR EXAMPLE, HARVARD UNIVERSITY, WE DID THAT IN THE TITLE 9 CASE RECENTLY.

SO I WANT TO LEAVE EVERY OPTION ON THE TABLE, CIVILLY OR POSSIBLY CRIMINALLY.

>> Braude: I WAS GOING TO SAY, IS IT NOT POSSIBLE THAT GOVERNOR DESANTIS OR ONE OF HIS MINIONS BROKE A CRIMINAL LAW?

>> I MEAN I THINK THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE OUR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS WHETHER FBI OR SOME OTHER AGENCY TO LOOK INTO THAT.

AND WE HAVE NATIONAL JURISDICTION, INTERNATIONAL JURISDICTION, SO BUT I THINK BECAUSE IT INVOLVES JIM, MULTIPLE STATES, FLORIDA, TEXAS, MASSACHUSETTS, THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, NEW YORK, SETS ET CETERA, THAT IT WOULD BE A DOJ ISSUE, NOT A MASSACHUSETTS-- CENTRAL MAIN JUSTICE WE CALL IT, NO E. >> Braude: LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE THAT IS EXCLUSIVELY IN YOUR JURISDICTION, I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS EITHER, TELL US WHAT YOU CAN EVERETT, WHEN YOU STARTED LOOKING INTO RACISM AND HIGH PLACES, POSSIBLY, OR WHATEVER WORD YOU WOULD USE, AND HIGH PLACES IN EVERETT CITY GOVERNMENT, THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF CASES, WE TALKED TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE, INCLUDING STEPHANIE WHO HAS BON-- DONE GREAT REPORTING FOR THIS ON THE "BOSTON GLOBE," ABOUT RACISM AT MEETINGS AND WITH CITY COUNSELORS.

SINCE YOU ANNOUNCED THAT YOU ARE LOOKING INTO THIS, IT SEEMS EVERY MONTH OR SO, THERE IS YET ANOTHER HIGH LEVEL OFFICIAL, ALMOST ALWAYS OF COLOR, WORKING IN THE CITY WHO SAYS HE OR SHE, AND IF IT IS A SHE IT IS USUALLY GENDER DISCRIMINATION, IN ADDITION TO RACIAL DISCRIMINATION.

IS THAT ONGOING.

>> YES, IT'S ONGOING.

SO BACK ON JUNE 2nd I WROTE A LETTER TO THE MAYOR OF EVERETT DNS DEMARIA.

>> AND TOLD HIM THAT I WAS INQUIRING.

I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS BASED ON MULTIPLE ARTICLES.

I HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER.

I THINK WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE FOOTNOTES STVMENT AN ANNOTATED LETTER SAYING THIS ISN'T JUST ME SAYING I HAVE DRIVEN THROUGH EVERETT AS A RESIDENT OF THE COMMONWEALTH.

THIS IS ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE AFTER ARTICLE AND SINCE JUNE, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE NOW HAVE A SUPERINTENDENT THAT HAS MULTIPLE, I MEAN THAT IS A KRIM.

THOSE ARE CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST THAT INDIVIDUAL.

THERE ARE ALSO SEXUAL HARASSMENT ALLEGATIONS AS WELL.

WE ARE, OUR INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING.

THE MAYOR HAS COUNCIL AS DOES THE CITY AND WE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO THEM AS WELL.

BUT WHEN THE DOJ STARTS LOOKING AT SOMETHING, AND MORE AND MORE THINGS COME OUT, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> YOU KNOW, ON THIS FOR A SECOND I THINK I ASKED YOU THE SAME QUESTION A FEW MONTHS AGO SO MY APOLOGY.

BUT IT'S STILL WITH ME.

ELECTED LEADERS IN THE STATE ARE NOT HESITANT TO CALL OUT RACISM AT MAR-A-LAGO, IN WESTERN EUROPE, IN TEXAS.

THIS IS IN EVERETT.

AND I KNOW, WELL, YOU ARE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ALLEGE.

ARE YOU SORT OF SURPRISED ABOUT WHAT I WOULD QUALL THE SILENCE ABOUT THE SERIAL ALLEGATIONS ABOUT RACIAL AND SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION IN EVERETT?

>> IT IS, JIM, SPEAKING OUT AGAINST HATRED AND BIGOTRY, IT'S HARD, RIGHT, IT'S VERY EASY-- .

>> Braude: NOT SO HARD IF IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> WELL, THAT'S TRUE.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IF I WERE SILENT, MY JOB WOULD BE MUCH EASIER, RIGHT.

AS DA OR AS U.S. ATTORNEY.

SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY PEOPLE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GIVE A SHOUT OUT AS YOU DID TO THE GLOBE AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, ADRIAN WALKER, STEPHANIE LYDEN HAS ALSO WRITTEN.

>> Braude: RIGHT HERE.

>> RIGHT HERE.

>> Braude: WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MEDIA HAS FULL ACCESS TO THINGS AND JOURNALISTS ARE TELLING STORIES, BECAUSE BUT FOR ME READING THOSE, I WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN THE LETTER TO THIS MAYOR OF EVERETT.

>> Braude: YOU REFERENCED YOUR FORMER JOB, SUFFOLK COUNTY DVMENT AMOUNT OF SEVERAL TIMES.

I HAVE TO SAIRKS WHENEVER I READ ANY CRITICISM OF YOUR SUCCESSOR, IT USUALLY IS THAT HE IS NOT YOU.

THAT ESSENTIALLY THERE WAS A PIECE IN THE BAY STATE BANNER THE OTHER DAY WITH A LAWYER FROM THE HARVARD CRIMINAL LAW JUSTICE INSTITUTE SAYING THAT HE WAS ESSENTIALLY ROLLING BACK A LOT OF YOUR REFORMS WHICH RESEARCH SUGGESTED WORKED.

NOT PROSECUTING LOW LEVEL OFFENSES WHICH, AGAIN, THE STUDY SUGGESTED REDUCED RECIDIVISM AND THAT SORT OF THING.

DO YOU THINK HE IS ROLLING BACK YOUR REFORMS?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK HE'S DOING.

I THINK HE IS MAKING THE OFFICE HIS OWN.

AND JIM, I HAVE A LOT INVESTED IN THAT OFFICE.

I FEEL LIKE I GAVE A HUGE PART OF MYSELF RUNNING FOR OFFICE AT THE AGE OF 46.

BUT I HAVE TO LET GO OF THAT.

AND I KNOW I HAVE MET THIS MAN, I HAVE SAT WITH THIS MAN.

WE HAVE PROSECUTED CASES TOGETHER IN THE YEAR THAT I HAVE ALMOST YEAR I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING THE U.S. ATTORNEY.

HE MAY NOT BE ME BUT HE'S MAKING THAT OFFICE HIS OWN AND THERE ARE SOME REALLY GREAT THINGS THAT HE'S DOING THERE, THAT I DIDN'T GET TO DO.

THAT HE IS QUITE FRANKLY DOING BETTER THAN I DID.

AND MAYBE HE'S NOT DOING THINGS IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, ORDER THAT I PUT THEM IN.

BUT HE HAS NOW EARNED THE RIGHT AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, NOT AN APPOINTED, HE CAN DO WHATEVER IT IS IN THAT OFFICE.

AND I KNOW HE CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF SUFFOLK COUNTY.

AND I KNOW HE HAS GOOD INTENTIONS BECAUSE WE WORKED TOGETHER EVERY DAY.

>> BEFORE YOU GO I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO ABOUT YOUR CANNEDDOR, ABOUT VIRT EURLLY EVERYBODY I KNOW WHO KNOWS YOU, INCLUDING ME, WHEN YOU GOT THIS JOB, SAID YOU'RE GOING TO-- YOU WERE CERTAINLILY YOUR OWN BOSS, I KNOW THE VOTERS ARE, YOUR OWN BOSS, HON HARD HAS THAT BEEN.

ARE YOU A PRETTY OUTSPOKEN, YOUR BEST AND WORST, I WOULD SAY QUALITY.

>> I AGREE.

>> Braude: HOW HARD IS THAT.

>> IT'S HARD.

IT'S HARD.

AND I AM, IT'S NOT HARD FOR THE REASONS I THINK PEOPLE THINK, THAT I DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD WHAT TO DO.

THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT WHAT IT IS.

PRIOR TO RUNNING FOR DVMENT AMOUNT OF, I HAD BEEN ALIGNED PERSON MY ENTIRE LIFE.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO REPORT UP TO PEOPLE.

IT'S THE LACK OF URGENCY.

IT IS THE.

>> YOU JUST WANT TO MOVE.

>> I WANT TO MOVE ON THINGS.

AN WHEN AS DVMENT AMOUNT OF I COULD SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND IT WOULD HAPPEN.

I DON'T MIND HAVING TO CHECK WITH ONE PERSON, BUT WHEN IT REQUIRES YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN THIS IS NO DISPARAGEMENT OF THIS ADMINISTRATION.

THIS IS JUST THE WAY GOVERNMENT WORKS.

WHEN IT REQUIRES SO MUCH OVERSIGHT THAT WHEN YOU FINALLY GET THE APPROVAL YOU WANT TO WRITE BACK LIKE THAT WAS FOUR MONTHS AGO, THANKS.

YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND AGAIN, I HONESTLY IT'S NOT A DISPARAGEMENT OF THIS ADMINISTRATION.

AND I THINK IT IS THE FRUSTRATION MANY PEOPLE FEEL WITH GOVERNMENT IS THAT YES, THERE ARE RULES AND REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.

AND I WOULD EXPECT THAT.

BUT I THINK FOR CERTAIN COMMUNITIES THAT I TOOK THIS JOB TO HELP, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T NEED FOUR MONTHS OF SOOTHER OF SORT OF AFFIRMATIONS AND COMPLIANCES.

THEY NEED AN ANSWER OR JUST FOR SOMEBODY TO SHOW UP TO SAY WE CARE THAT THE SHOOTINGS HAVE INCREASED IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE DYING IN THE STREETS WITH URBAN VIOLENCE.

THEY NEED TO KNOW THEIR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CARES ENOUGH TO SHOW UP EVEN IF WE SAY NOTHING.

AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ABLE TO DO AS DVMENT AMOUNT OF.

AND WHAT I REALLY WANT THIS OFFICE TO BE AS U.S. ATTORNEY.

AND WE'RE GETTING THERE.

WE'RE GETTING THERE.

I THINK IT'S BEEN GROWING PAINS FOR ME AND ALSO THIS ADMINISTRATION.

AND HAVE I TO GIVE CREDIT TO ATTORNEY GENERAL GARLAND.

HE'S BEEN DOING THINGS AND PUSHING THE LIMITS WITH RESPECT TO THE DEPARTMENT IN WAYS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.

AND THAT'S WHY I LEFT, JIM.

BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN HIM.

I BELIEVE IN MONDAY A COKE, KRISTEN CLARK AND-- WHAT THEY ARE DOING BUT IT HAS BEEN HARD.

>> Braude: GOOD TO SIGH, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

>> THANKS FOR INJURE TIME.

NEXT UP, OUR SERIES ON THE RESTAURANTS THAT EARNED A PRESTIGIOUS FIVE-STAR RATING FROM THE "BOSTON GLOBE" CONTINUES WITH A LOCAL MAINSTAY THAT'S DRAWN SEAFOOD LOVERS FOR FIVE DECADES, THE DAILY CATCH, WHERE, AS THE "GLOBE'S" DEVRA FIRST WRITES: "CONSISTENCY IS A SPECIALTY, ALONG WITH SICILIAN-STYLE SEAFOOD AND PASTA."

THE ORIGINAL LOCATION ON HANOVER STREET IN THE NORTH END IS KNOWN FOR GIVING GUESTS AN INTIMATE DINING EXPERIENCE, WHERE YOU CAN WATCH THE CHEF FLAME YOUR FOOD JUST FEET AWAY FROM YOUR TABLE, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE MORE LOCATIONS BY THE WATERFRONT AND IN BROOKLINE.

I'M JOINED BY EXECUTIVE CHEF BASIL FREDDURA AND GENERAL MANAGER LOUIS FREDDURA.

THEIR FATHER OPENED THE FIRST LOCATION IN 1973, BACK WHEN IT WAS KNOWN AS THE CALAMARI CAFEÉ.

GREAT TO SIGH, THANKS FOR BEING HERE, CONGRATULATIONS.

HOW MANY SIBLINGS ARE THERE.

>> SEVEN TOTAL.

>> Braude: HOW MANY BOYS.

>> SEVEN BOYS.

>> Braude: AND ARE YOU TWO-OF-THE FIVE, DOES EVERYBODY GET ALONG?

>> WE HAVE TO.

>> Braude: IT TOOK YOU AWHILE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

AND EVERYBODY IS IN THE BUSINESS.

>> YEAH, MORE OR LESS.

>> Braude: WHAT DO YOU DO.

>> I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AT THE WATERFRONT LOCATION.

>> Braude: AND HOW ABOUT YOU.

>> PRETTY MUCH DO IT ALL.

>> Braude: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS I WAS THE CHEF AT OUR LOCATIONS.

AND NOW I RUN OUR WHOLESALE OPERATION.

AND JUST KEEP THE RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, WELL OILED, WELL OILED MACHINE.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, I'M A TAD OLDER THAN BOTH OF YOU.

AND THE KAL MARRY CAVEE-- CALAMARI IN 1973 TO ME WAS SQUID, AND ALMOST NOBODY ATE SQUID.

SO THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS YOUR FAMILY SORT OF INVENTED CALAMARI.

YOU HEAR THAT A LOT, DON'T YOU.

>> ABSOLUTELY, YEAH, OUR FATHER IS THE CALAMARI KING.

>> Braude: HE IS?

>> YEAH.

>> Braude: WHAT DREW HIM TO.

THIS DID IT SEEM LIKE A BAIT FISH AND THAT SORT OF THING.

>> IT WAS A BUY CATCH MOSTLY.

NOBODY WAS NECESSARILY EATING IT, ESPECIALLY NOT IN RESTAURANTS.

IT WAS MORE OF A FISH-- .

>> Braude: WHAT CAUSED IT TO CATCH ON, WHAT DO YOU THINK, WHAT DID YOUR FATHER SAY, WHY DID PEOPLE ALL OF A SUDDEN START EATING SOMETHING, THE NAME OF WHICH THEY HADN'T EVEN HEARD OF MUCH BEFORE.

>> OUR FATHER IS AN OPPORTUNIST.

AND BACK THEN FRIED CLAMS WERE THROUGH THE ROOF.

AND HE THOUGHT CALAMARI WAS JUST BYCATCH.

SO HE WAS ABLE TO YOU KNOW, BRING SICILIAN STYLE RECIPES AND APPLY TO THE CALAMARI.

>> Braude: WHEN THE SEVEN OF YOU, THE SEVEN BOYS IN THE FAMILY WERE LITTLE KIDS, WERE YOU SAYING I WANT TO GROW UP AND BE IN THIS BUSINESS OR WERE YOU SAYING I WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THIS.

I LOVE MY FAMILY BUT I GOT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

WHAT WERE YOU SAYING.

>> WE WERE ALL RAISED IN THIS.

IT IS IN OUR BLOOD.

IT IS WHAT WE GREW UP DOING.

I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, LOVE DOING IT.

>> Braude: I WHILE I'M TALKING TO YOU, I'M PRETENDING THAT I AM NOT ONE EYE LOOKING AT YOU AND ONE EYE LOOKING AT MAYBE THE PRETTIEST DISH OF ANY WHAT IS THIS THING RIGHT HERE.

>> THAT IS THE BLACK PASTA ALIOLIO.

>> Braude: IS THIS SQUID PASTA.

>> YEAH, THAT IS A BLACK PASTA SQUID INK AND WITH BROWN CALAMARI OLIVE OIL GARLIC.

>> Braude: CAN I TAKE A TASTE OF IT.

>> GO FOR IT.

>> Braude: HOW RADIOED IS IT THAT I MR. EAT OUT OF A PAN.

>> THAT IS HOW WE ALL DO IT.

>> Braude: O OKAY, SO WE HAVE A PHOTO OF YOU, BASIL, HOW MANY KIDS ARE NAMED AFTER SPACES BY THE WAY.

>> ME AND MY BROTHER, SAGE.

>> Braude: SAGE.

AND DO YOU FEEL LEFT OUT IN THAT?

>> NO, I AM HAPPY NOT BEING NAMED AFTER AN HERB.

>> Braude: LIKE TURMERIC.

>> IF THIEM WOULD HAVE WORKED OUT.

>> Braude: YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THAT LINE BEFORE.

SO THERE IS A PICTURE OF YOU STANDING BY A POT OF THE LEGENDARY SAUCE, I WILL PUT THAT UP IN A MINUTE, WHAT MAKES IT SO DIFFERENT AND SO MUCH BETTER THAN ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE.

>> IT COMES DOWN TO USING QUALITY INGREDIENTS AND SIMPLICITY.

>> Braude: OH MY GOD.

>> AS ALL OF OUR RECIPES.

YOU KNOW, WE USE THE HIGHEST QUALITY INGREDIENTS AND JUST COOK THEM SIMPLY AND LET THE INGREDIENTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

>> Braude: HOW LONG HAS THAT SAUCE COOK.

>> THE TOMATO SAUCE.

>> Braude: YEAH.

>> 24 HOURS.

>> Braude: 24 HOURS.

AND COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO A LAYPERSON LIKE ME, WHAT IS DIFFERENT, LET'S SAY THAN TOMORROW AT OWE SAUCE THAT COOKS FOR FOUR HOURS, WHY IS IT SO MUCH RICHER.

>> SO OUR SAUCE, WE SIMMER IN WITH LOBSTER BODIES AND LIVE CRAB, AND SO LETTING IT JUST COOK FOR 24 HOURS JUST TAKES THAT ESENCE.

YOU KNOW, ALMOST MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE A TON OF PEOPLE, BEYOND THE SEVEN BROTHERS INVOLVED IN THIS THING, THE WHOLE FAMILY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF WORKERS, EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN WITH YOU FOREVER.

AM I PRONOUNCING IT RIGHT, JIMMY QUIM.

>> WE CALL HIM JIMMY LEE.

>> Braude: HOW LONG HAS HE BEEN THEREFORE.

>> LONGER THAN ME, THAT IS FOR SURE.

>> Braude: 40 YEARS.

>> ABOUT.

>> Braude: WHAT IS THAT ABOUT.

>> HE LOVES IT, JIMMY LEE IS, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH GOOD THINGS ABOUT JIMMY.

HE HAS WORKED FOR OUR PARENTS LONGER THAN BOTH OF US HAVE BEEN ALIVE.

AND HE IS JUST A MACHINE.

>> Braude: LIKE DAVE'S BROTHER.

>> LIKE AN UNCLE, YOU KNOW, AND HE IS STILL GOING.

>> SO WHAT IS-- I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD GO TO YOUR PLACES FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE THING THAT STANDS OUT, I THINK IT IS THE PAN DEAL AS OPPOSED TO THE DISH.

WHAT IS THE GENESIS OF THAT.

>> THE PAN CAME FROM, OUT OF NECESSITY, REALLY.

YOU KNOW, WHEN MY FATHER OPENED THE RESTAURANT, IT WASN'T LIKE THIS VISION HE HAD TO CREATE THIS RESTAURANT.

IT WAS LET'S START COOKING SOME FOOD, START FRYING, IT, SAUTEEING IT, AND PASTA.

I GOT NOTHING TO PUT THE PASTA IN, SO WE WILL JUST GIVE THEM THE PAN AND THAT IS HOW IT ALL STARTED.

>> Braude: PEOPLE WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED IF THIS WASN'T THE WAY IT WOULD HAPPEN.

>> THEY COME TO US TO EAT OUT OF THAT PAN.

>> Braude: TELL ME WHAT THESE TWO THINGS ARE, WHAT IS THAT.

>> WE HAVE A MARINATED CALAMARI SALAD AND SICILIAN STYLE OCTOPUS.

>> Braude: AND WHAT, THIS IS WHAT VERSION?

>> THAT IS THE OCTOPUS THERE.

>> Braude: AND WHERE DO PEOPLE GET THAT.

>> SO THESE ARE ITEMS WE SELL IN THE RESTAURANT AND ALSO AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR WEBSITE, DAILY CATCH.COM, ESPECIALLY FOR THE HOLIDAYS, A GREAT IDEA FOR FEAST OF THE SEVEN DISHES OR ANY TIME YOU GOT A HANKERING FOR SOME LOCAL BOSTON SEAFOOD.

>> Braude: DO ALL SEVEN BOYS LOVE THIS FOOD I HOPE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Braude: DO THEY REALLY OR YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT, NOT ONE THAT SAY I'M SICK OF THIS, HAVE I BEEN EATING THIS FOR 33 YEARS.

>> I CAN'T GET ENOUGH.

>> O'Connell: >> Braude: WHAT DOES SAGE THINK ABOUT IT.

>> HE LOVES IT.

>> I THINK THE CALAMARI IS HIS FAVORITE.

>> Braude: WHAT IS, I KNOW THAT SAY MEET BALL.

>> THAT IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT KIND OF MEATBALL IS IT.

>> Braude: I WOULD SAY ST A-- .

>> ONE GUESS.

>> Braude: A CALAMARI MEATBALL.

>> GREAT GUESS.

>> Braude: IT IS A GOOD GUESS.

AND HOW, CAN I TAKE A BITE OF THAT.

>> YEAH.

>> Braude: HOW DID YOU GUYS, BY THE WAY, I ASSUME I'M GUESSING ALMOST EVERYONE WATCHING THE SHOW HAS BEEN TO ONE OF YOUR PLACES BY THE NORTH END, IT IS SMALL.

WHICH IS ONE OF THE GREAT PARTS, OF COURSE YOU CAN'T GET IN, HOW DID YOU GET THROUGH THE COVID DEAL?

>> WELL, WE STAYED OPEN.

YOU KNOW.

>> Braude: LIMITED CAPACITY, WASN'T IT HORRIBLE.

>> AS MUCH AS WE COULD WITH THE RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW.

SOCIAL DISTANCING DIDN'T EXIST IN OUR RESTAURANT.

WE PUT CURTAINS UP.

WE VOLUME OF THE BASED, AS THE RESTRICTIONS EVOLVED.

>> Braude: YOUR FATHER SURPRISED?

IS THE WHOLE FAMILY SURPRISED ABOUT HOW HUGE THIS HAS BECOME?

I MEAN IT'S A BIG-- I KNOW ARE YOU NOT, IT IS A BIG DEAL, I MEAN OUTSIDE THE FAMILY.

>> HE WANTS IT TO BE BIGGER.

>> Braude: HE DOES, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, WHAT IS HE LOOKING AT?

>> MORE LOCATIONS, JUST PLOR CALAMARI.

>> Braude: AND I ASSUME THE ANSWER TO MY NEXT QUESTION, HE WANTS TO SPREAD THE BEAUTY OF THE CUISINE TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE BUT WHAT IS THE DEAL IS WHAT STD MOTIVATION.

>> HE REALLY WANTED TO JUST BRING CALAMARI TO THE MASSES, BACK TO THE 70S, EARLY 80, 90S, 2000, NOW WHERE WE ARE NOW.

AND OUR MISSION HASN'T CHANGED.

TO JUST BRING THE CALAMARI TO THE MASSES.

>> YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT I AM ALWAYS AMAZED BY.

I MEAN I KNOW YOU GUYS GO TO THE-- EVERYTHING IS FRESH AND LOCAL I LOVE THAT, I THINK EVERYBODY LOVES THE WHOLE IMAGE OF THAT THING.

BUT A LOT OF OTHER PLACES THAT DO A VARIATION OF WHAT YOU DO, THEY GO TO-- IN THE MORNING.

THEY GET THE SAME FRESH PRODUCT THAT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY WITHOUT DISPARAGING ANYBODY, A LOT OF THEM DON'T GENERATE THE SAME OUTCOME THAT YOU DO.

SO WHY IS THAT?

DO YOU THINK?

>> SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FA SILLITY ON THE FISH PIER WHERE WE PROCESS ALL OF OUR OWN, FILET ALL OF OUR GROUND FISH, CLEAN ALL OF OUR CALAMARI.

ST ALL DONE IN HOUSE BY THESE HANDS, LITTLE RALLY THESE HANDS.

AND IT JUST CREATES SUCH A UNIQUE SEAFOOD.

HANDMADE FOOD, YOU KNOW.

>> Braude: CAN YOU SAME ALL SEVEN BROTHER WAS THINKING SAMING THEM QUICKLY.

>> MAX, BASIL, THEO, SEBASTIAN BASIL LOUIS DOMINIC,.

>> Braude: I GUESS YOU CAN.

DOES IT MAKE-- WHEN THE GLOBE SAYS ARE YOU ONE OF THE FIVE STARS, THEY DECIDED NOT TO RATE RESTAURANTS IN THE PANDEMIC, IT WAS A NIGHTMARE FOR A LOT, I MEAN EVERYBODY HAD A NIGHTMARE THROUGH THIS THING.

AND COME OUT WITH THIS BEAUTIFUL NOTION, LET'S RATE THE BEST, WHAT DOES IT DO FOR A PLACE LIKE YOURS WHEN IT IS PACKED ALL THE TIME.

WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> I THINK IT SPARKS A DAILY CATCH MEMORY IN A LOT OF OUR CUSTOMERS MINDS THAT HAVEN'T EATEN WITH US OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS SO IT REIMAGINED THAT MEMORY AND BROUGHT THEM BACK.

>> Braude: THIS IS ONE OF THE BETION THINGS I EVER PLAYED IN MY-- ATE IN MY LIFE AND PRETTIEST, WHILE IT GREAT TO MEET BOTH OF YOU, CAN YOU PLEASE SAY HELLO TO SAGE AND THE OUR FORE.

>> MAX, THEO, DOMINIC, SEBASTIAN.

>> Braude: ALL SEVEN, FIVE OF THEM, SAY HI, PLESH-- PLEASURE TO MEET YOU, CONGRATS ON THE FIVE STAR, DRINK THE WINE AFTER THE SHOW, GREAT TO SEE YOU BOTH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: THANK YOU.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT, BUT COME BACK TOMORROW FOR "TALKING POLITICS."

THE SHOWDOWN OVER NEW HAMPSHIRE'S FIRST-IN-THE-NATION PRIMARY IS COMING TO A HEAD.

ADAM REILLY AND HIS PANEL WILL DIG INTO WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

PLUS, THE INCREASING DISSATISFACTION WITH BOSTON'S PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

THAT AND MORE, TOMORROW AT 7:00.

THANKS FOR WATCHING AND PLEASE, DON'T FORGET UKRAINE.

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